[Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

[Bill Deegan]

Anatoly,

In the entire history of SCons we've only had a small handful of instances
where any of the proposed CoC's might have been violated.
So infrequent I can't remember the last one.

That said, if you can prove harm or point to any project where it harmed
their community to have a CoC, then I (and I expect the rest of the SCons
developer list) would be interested in such.

Nothing you've said thus far has been convincing to me (nor it seems any
other community member).
Otherwise it is speculation.

I can say for certain that some organizations expect such when providing
grant money to open source communities.
For me that's sufficient reason.

I will also say that if the SCons project finds that having a CoC is
damaging to it's community, then we'll revise or revoke it as appropriate.
(where damaging doesn't equal one person is being unreasonable or abusive
and doesn't like having the fact that their behavior violates the CoC, but
does equal contributions to the project including features and/or bugfixes
and/or docs slow to a standstill, and/or usage of SCons diminishes in a
meaningful way measurable to the adoption of a CoC).

-Bill

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:02 PM, William Blevins <wblevins001 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Bill Deegan <bill at baddogconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> An extra 2cents of opinion from me.. ;)
> >>
> >> A few things a CoC would help with:
> >> 1) It could encourage more participation on the mailing lists. Open
> source
> >> projects have been notorious for scathing responses to simple questions.
> >> Surprisingly I've been at clients who have used SCons for years and
> never a
> >> single member of their staff has asked a question on the mailing list..
> I
> >> was shocked.
> >
> >
> > I don't think this attitude is uncommon.  Many of my past coworkers view
> > interacting on forums and mailing lists as a "hassle", and they would
> rather
> > try to brute force since they "know" best. I'm not sure this can be
> helped.
> > unfortunately.
>
> I agree. Businesses discourage people from spending time on forums. They
> can only understand it if they pay money for it. Also not many companies
> want outside World to know that they can't do something themselves.
>
> So, if business people want straightforward and nice discussions, let them
> pay for it. Otherwise there is conflict that those of us who volunteers and
> are not being paid should behave well in order to provide free service for
> those who don't care.
>
> The paragraph above is an example that CoC doesn't solve anything, because
> it doesn't remove causes of conflicts.
>
> --
> anatoly t.
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